I have a Colt Match Target 6" and a Colt Huntsman 4", also a S&W 41 with both 5" and 7" barrels and a S&W Model 46 with 5"sport barrel and 7" barrels, all four guns shoot a lot better than I do now at 77 years old. I am not expert, but I believe that the .38-44 was more powerful than a .38 Special +P. 3 generations in SASS Shoot the common stuff in modern guns. .38 S&W uses a .360" bullet. Me, I have guns chambered for it, so it was worth doing. Mike The Colt Official Police is a medium frame, double-action revolver with a six-round cylinder, primarily chambered for the .38 Special cartridge, and manufactured by the Colt's Manufacturing Company.Released in 1908 as the Colt Army Special, the revolver was renamed the "Colt's Official Police" in 1927 in order to better market to law enforcement agencies. .38 S&W made quite a bit longer, that is to say the case being the same length as the cylinder in a S&W New Model 3, with the bullets loaded entirely inside the case, was a special target load known as .38-44. I have two Lightnings. I think Goody's post explains the difference. Horace Smith e Daniel Wesson fondarono la loro azienda nel 1852 a Norwich, Connecticut, con l'obiettivo di commercializzare una pistola con meccanismo di ripetizione a leva che utilizzasse una cartuccia autocontenuta (che comprendesse cioè polvere, palla e innesco). If you want a shooter, get the Dan Wesson ... if you want to collect Pythons, there's nothing wrong with that. Posted by 2 months ago. CAS, shooting of any kind, music, baseball, My kids & If they’d had the same finish and grips attached, I doubt many of us could pick them apart at any distance. Ruger AR556 vs. Colt M4 vs. Smith & Wesson MP-15. 36 comments. colt python vs dan wesson 715, dan wesson 357, dan wesson 715 357 mag vs colt python 357 mag, dan wesson 715 or colt python, dan wesson 715 revolver versus colt python, dan wesson 715 v colt python 357 magnum shootout, dan wesson model 715 vs colt python, Firelands Peacemakers,Tusco Long Riders, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Sandusky Regulators, Brown Twp. .38 Short Colt made a little longer is .38 Long Colt. That first Paterson was a five-shot, cap-and-ball revolver. Here is a link that I think is pretty good, regards, Mike   https://www.guns.com/news/2011/08/25/the-other-38s-short-long-and-everything-in-between. Powered by Invision Community. The newer one has the tighter, .357" bore. https://www.guns.com/news/2011/08/25/the-other-38s-short-long-and-everything-in-between. Accuracy is not so good. It has nothing in common with the more well known pre-.357 Magnum cartridge other than the name. By This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. Help me decide! But if you don't have a gun where you MUST use it, then I really don't see the point to it. Sam Colt invented the revolver as we know it, offering the first one for sale in 1836. Hollow base bullets are out there but expensive and rare. Yep, according to what’s been posted the .38 SW is slight larger than a .38 spl. I didn't want to post my question in the Colt or Dan Wesson section because I thought I might get slightly biased opinions :biglaugh: I can get a new Colt Wiley Clapp or a used (~150 rds) Dan Wesson Valor (stainless) for about the same price. Colt Combat Unit Commander VS Dan Wesson Vigil Commander. Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Quincy12, Mar 3, 2010. I had no idea! The S&W's have good press and may be your best logistical choice, but all said, I would choose the original, given your criteria, and that makes it a Colts .45. .357 Magnum made a little longer is .357 Maximum. Colt vs. Wesson. When revolvers ruled, the big argument was over Colt vs Smith & Wesson. Smith & Wesson offered the 45 Colt chambering in their N-Frame revolvers as well. Samuel Colt (/ k oʊ l t /; July 19, 1814 – January 10, 1862) was an American inventor, industrialist and businessman who established Colt's Patent Fire-Arms Manufacturing Company (now Colt's Manufacturing Company) and made the mass production of revolvers commercially viable.. Colt's first two business ventures were producing firearms in Paterson, New Jersey and making underwater … The old Python is blued. So, in some circumstances, you might be able to get the Smith and Wesson round to chamber in a lightning, but there is no reason to do so. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. I wrote to S&W and asked, and they told me you could. Granddaughters I shoot the .38 Long Colt in my open tops. Otherwise, they both feature 6″ barrels and full-sized frames. It then becomes very versatile as you can not only use it in that gun, but also in any .38 Specials or .357's you may some day obtain. Copyright 2019 sassnet.com The Wesson has a very short hammer arc. .38 Short Colt will work just fine if you want a sub load, and you can always go with Long Colts. Hollow base bullets are out there but expensive and rare. Colt vs. Wesson Go inside the first true “arms race” as the invention of the perfect revolver pits Samuel Colt and Daniel Wesson in a race for patents that will forever revolutionize the firearm industry. Colt Combat Unit Commander VS Dan Wesson Vigil Commander. Just to add a bit of confusion; 38 S&W and 38 S&W Special are different cartridges. November 14, 2016 ODU Admin Handguns Comments Off on Colt vs. Smith & Wesson on Revolvers. It is my impression that there is less barrel flip. NRA Life, NRA Life,LSFSC-Life, CVV, BB3-Dooley Gang # 20, TSRA Life, Buffalo Range Riders, High Desert Drifters, Rio Grande Renegades, Sqaw Butte Regulators, Oregon Trail Rough Riders. Zero, nada, zilch, other than I have seen several that after a steady diet of full power loads shot themselves loose. How does a Colt Python and a Dan Wesson Model 15-2 (pre-1980) compare? Is 38 Long colt worthwhile as a CAS round or is it better to just stick with 38 Special? Close. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Colt did this to confuse us, ,  because they refused to mark their revolvers S&W for the popular 38 S& W cartridge. With all the knowledge this site has to offer I figured this would be the best place to pose my question. NSCA super veteran. share. Brass will cost more. 5 Best Guns in the World (Smith & Wesson, Colt and Glock Top the List) by Kyle Mizokami One of the best handguns in the world wasn’t even available … The old one has the larger .375" bore. Alls I'ze know is 38 Short Colt will chamber in Sawmill Mary's Uberti Cattleman in 38/357 and 38 S&W won't. The round came back to the forefront in the form of the new sport of … I run 150 grain .358" hollow base bullets in both guns to good effect. I've found some material comparing the two, but most of what I find just says that the Colt is constructed with better material. Brass is available. He goes and shoots it a bit, and the hand (which probably has a bit of wear already, as he bought it used) is approaching the normal replacement interval. Is that the main difference? 40. .38 Short Colt looks very similar to .38 SW, but they are not the same cartridge. Some claim you can create it by cutting back .357 Maximum brass, but I have to wonder why go to the trouble when you can run .38 S&W in guns chambered for this caliber. Someone says the S&W case is wider. There’s nothing compact about these brutes.The grips are the other major variation. but I'd expect a better lockup for that kind of money, A Python if good shape has no movement in the action at full lock up. Colt and Smith & Wesson tried to compete with each other in the late 1800s by offering newer, more innovative revolvers to capture the lion’s share of the market, but then, in 1899, S&W unveiled its first .38-caliber K-Frame — the Military & Police. Bar 3 Ranch Dog. Throw in .38-44 and things get really confusing. I’ve decided to buy either a NEW S&W 629 or a NEW Ruger Redhawk. One of them is an antique made in 1880 something. You can run .38 Short Colt in it. Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by stinger 327, Nov 27, 2016. .38 Short Colt will work just fine if you want a sub load, and you can always go with Long Colts. This requires a heavier trigger pull for ignition reliability. All Episodes (8) Next. available, there really is NO advantage to shooting a .38 LC. He checks his gun, and finds that the cylinder has just the slightest amount of movement when the trigger is back, and half of his S&W's longitudinal travel. So, in some circumstances, you might be able to get the Smith and Wesson round to chamber in a lightning, but there is no reason to do so. Now, let's say a S&W owner, used to their looser standards of cylinder lockup, buys a Colt. Yeah, the rifling twist is different and even the cylinders turn in direction directions, but in the end it matters little. TV-14 | 42min | Documentary, History | Episode aired 15 June 2015. Then there is a 38 Colt Long and 38 Colt short. As is obvious to those of us with a functional sense of sight, the two guns we’re comparing are almost identical. It was .38 Special loaded up to what would be .357 Magnum pressures, and led to the creation of the Magnum cartridge. You could cast your own, but depending on when it was made you might be able to use the same bullets used in .38 Special. Previous. Rye Miles #13621, January 30 in SASS Wire. "American Genius" Colt vs. Wesson (TV Episode 2015) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more. The S&W round will not chamber the newer pistol, but it will chamber in my older one, if tightly. I own 3 or 4 Colts and 1 Kimber, they all work and shoot well. Hi,  38 S&W is also known as 38 Colt New Police. The .38 Smith & Wesson Special, also commonly known as .38 S&W Special, .38 Special, .38 Spl, .38 Spc, (pronounced "thirty-eight special"), or 9x29mmR is a rimmed, centerfire cartridge designed by Smith & Wesson.It is most commonly used in revolvers, although some semi-automatic pistols and carbines also use this round. As is, they’re visually distinct. Prior to the creation of .357 Magnum, there was something called .38-44. CAS - BMW Motorcycles Storia La nascita e i primi prodotti. Colt LE6920 vs. S&W MP15 Sport II. The invention of the perfect revolver pits Samuel Colt and Daniel Wesson in a race for patents that will forever revolutionize the firearm industry. shooting, hiking, hunting, fishing, building, gun smithing, wood working. The older cartridge's name was derived from the fact that it was a .38 being chambered in a gun designed for a .44. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. The other was made in 1902. The 686 is stainless. No idiot mark on the DW. Only if you have an revolver or two that is actually chambered for it. .38 Long Colt made a little longer is .38 Special, .38 Special made a little longer is .357 Magnum. Since .38 spl can easily be loaded down to minimum power requirements with light bullets now commercially. Regulators. Colt vs. Smith & Wesson revolvers? SASS Regulator. I think the Common load is a 38 Colt for Cowboy Action shooting is the 38 Colt Long. Now, if you have a gun that is chambered to .38 LC, you are stuck with loading that old cartridge, but you shoulda known that when you bought that old gun. It will not be like the Colt. Keep in mind that the all stainless Dan Wesson's have had some issues with galling, an issue you won't have with any Colt, nonetheless I'd spring for the Wesson in the blink of an eye, the factory service has been superb, and in the event you experience galling you can have the pistol finished in ceracoat or hard chrome, though the latter will build up an already very tight slide to frame fit. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Heck, he thinks, it's still a lot tighter than his Smith so it must be fine to keep shooting it. Both Colt and Smith & Wesson experienced failures early on. Season 1 | Episode 4. I bought the Colt MT 6" in 1952 when I graduated from High School and it … Here we look at some of the differences and just have some fun with both. I want to get an AR and am deciding between the 2. By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. 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